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		<title>By: David Reid</title>
		<link>http://blog.taiwan-guide.org/2007/06/taiwan-studies-at-nccu/comment-page-1/#comment-83462</link>
		<dc:creator>David Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I will post something later today or tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I will post something later today or tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.taiwan-guide.org/2007/06/taiwan-studies-at-nccu/comment-page-1/#comment-83461</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David:

how have you found the program you are in? how about an update, please. :-)

thanks
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David:</p>
<p>how have you found the program you are in? how about an update, please. <img src='http://blog.taiwan-guide.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>thanks<br />
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		<title>By: David on Formosa &#187; Taiwan Studies in the Taiwan Review</title>
		<link>http://blog.taiwan-guide.org/2007/06/taiwan-studies-at-nccu/comment-page-1/#comment-58435</link>
		<dc:creator>David on Formosa &#187; Taiwan Studies in the Taiwan Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] both offer Master&#039;s degrees in Taiwan Studies taught in English. (I am studying in the course at NCCU.) The final point of interest in the article is that the country with the longest history of Taiwan [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] both offer Master&#39;s degrees in Taiwan Studies taught in English. (I am studying in the course at NCCU.) The final point of interest in the article is that the country with the longest history of Taiwan [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David on Formosa &#187; Reading about Taiwanese History</title>
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		<dc:creator>David on Formosa &#187; Reading about Taiwanese History</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wednesday I attended the my first class of the Taiwan Studies course at NCCU (國立政治大學). The class was Taiwanese History. It was good to finally meet [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wednesday I attended the my first class of the Taiwan Studies course at NCCU (國立政治大學). The class was Taiwanese History. It was good to finally meet [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Foreigner</title>
		<link>http://blog.taiwan-guide.org/2007/06/taiwan-studies-at-nccu/comment-page-1/#comment-42413</link>
		<dc:creator>The Foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would I say if I met a Chinese guy with a masters degree in American studies, earned from an American university if he couldn&#039;t speak or read English?

Obviously, you&#039;ve got me there.  What can I say?  I guess I would raise an eyebrow and ask him (via an interpreter), exactly how does that work?

For some concentrations of American Studies, it would obviously be bogus.  Clearly, you can&#039;t study American literature without knowing English.

But for other concentrations, it might be somewhat more understandable.  Suppose there was a Taiwanese version of David, interested in American environmental issues (only David&#039;s hypothetical doppelganger doesn&#039;t speak English, though).  IF there were enough Chinese translations on the topic (and that&#039;s a big if, as I said in my July 23rd comment), then yeah, I could sorta see that.  As long as he knows his PCPs from his BVDs, then his lack of knowledge about American urban legends or inability to order from a fine restaurant wouldn&#039;t unduly bother me.

Or, to take another example, imagine somebody gets a masters degree in some kind of interdisciplinary Classics program, and can&#039;t speak or read Greek.  Again, I&#039;d ask him, &quot;How does that work?&quot;

If he told me that he specializes in the economy of ancient Sparta, then I wouldn&#039;t necessarily doubt his professional knowledge.  I imagine that by now there are enough translations of source material to make study of that subject possible without knowledge of the original Greek.  For him, a full appreciation of Homer&#039;s poetry is something that&#039;d be nice, but certainly not required.

As for it being easier for a professor to lecture in his native tongue, of course I concede that.  But believe me, back in the West I&#039;ve had my share of foreign professors with ABOMINABLE accents (and grammar).  And that certainly didn&#039;t seem to stop the university I went to from hiring them, or from assigning them to teach us.

At least here, foreigners who&#039;ve been here a while know what to expect.  Speaking from personal experience, I&#039;ve kinda gotten used to the Taiwanese accent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would I say if I met a Chinese guy with a masters degree in American studies, earned from an American university if he couldn&#8217;t speak or read English?</p>
<p>Obviously, you&#8217;ve got me there.  What can I say?  I guess I would raise an eyebrow and ask him (via an interpreter), exactly how does that work?</p>
<p>For some concentrations of American Studies, it would obviously be bogus.  Clearly, you can&#8217;t study American literature without knowing English.</p>
<p>But for other concentrations, it might be somewhat more understandable.  Suppose there was a Taiwanese version of David, interested in American environmental issues (only David&#8217;s hypothetical doppelganger doesn&#8217;t speak English, though).  IF there were enough Chinese translations on the topic (and that&#8217;s a big if, as I said in my July 23rd comment), then yeah, I could sorta see that.  As long as he knows his PCPs from his BVDs, then his lack of knowledge about American urban legends or inability to order from a fine restaurant wouldn&#8217;t unduly bother me.</p>
<p>Or, to take another example, imagine somebody gets a masters degree in some kind of interdisciplinary Classics program, and can&#8217;t speak or read Greek.  Again, I&#8217;d ask him, &#8220;How does that work?&#8221;</p>
<p>If he told me that he specializes in the economy of ancient Sparta, then I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily doubt his professional knowledge.  I imagine that by now there are enough translations of source material to make study of that subject possible without knowledge of the original Greek.  For him, a full appreciation of Homer&#8217;s poetry is something that&#8217;d be nice, but certainly not required.</p>
<p>As for it being easier for a professor to lecture in his native tongue, of course I concede that.  But believe me, back in the West I&#8217;ve had my share of foreign professors with ABOMINABLE accents (and grammar).  And that certainly didn&#8217;t seem to stop the university I went to from hiring them, or from assigning them to teach us.</p>
<p>At least here, foreigners who&#8217;ve been here a while know what to expect.  Speaking from personal experience, I&#8217;ve kinda gotten used to the Taiwanese accent.</p>
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		<title>By: Prince Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prince Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah.  And I think that was all of our points, beginning with Poagao.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah.  And I think that was all of our points, beginning with Poagao.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;One other thing about Mark’s preference for Taiwanese programs being taught in Mandarin (for the purposes of language acquisition).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My point wasn&#039;t about language acquisition, though that &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; be a good reason for a foreigner to take a program in Chinese.  It isn&#039;t really about the fact that instructors teaching in a foreign language won&#039;t be able to teach as well, either.  My point is that it&#039;s a bit odd to be able to get a &lt;i&gt;masters&lt;/i&gt; degree in Taiwan studies &lt;i&gt;from a Taiwanese university&lt;/i&gt;, and not be able to speak or read the national language.  Only a very small number of people here speak English fluently, and culture is very much tied to language.

What you think if you met a Chinese guy with a masters degree in American studies, earned &lt;i&gt;from an American university&lt;/i&gt; if he couldn&#039;t speak or read English?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One other thing about Mark’s preference for Taiwanese programs being taught in Mandarin (for the purposes of language acquisition).</p></blockquote>
<p>My point wasn&#8217;t about language acquisition, though that <i>would</i> be a good reason for a foreigner to take a program in Chinese.  It isn&#8217;t really about the fact that instructors teaching in a foreign language won&#8217;t be able to teach as well, either.  My point is that it&#8217;s a bit odd to be able to get a <i>masters</i> degree in Taiwan studies <i>from a Taiwanese university</i>, and not be able to speak or read the national language.  Only a very small number of people here speak English fluently, and culture is very much tied to language.</p>
<p>What you think if you met a Chinese guy with a masters degree in American studies, earned <i>from an American university</i> if he couldn&#8217;t speak or read English?</p>
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		<title>By: The Foreigner</title>
		<link>http://blog.taiwan-guide.org/2007/06/taiwan-studies-at-nccu/comment-page-1/#comment-41599</link>
		<dc:creator>The Foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing about Mark&#039;s preference for Taiwanese programs being taught in Mandarin (for the purposes of language acquisition).  Well, it seems to me that there&#039;s another side to that coin.  Just today I remembered that I have a Taiwanese acquaintance who was accepted into one of these English-taught Taiwanese Studies programs one or two years ago.  And for him, the attraction was that the program WAS taught in English.  As someone whose mother tongue was Mandarin, he WANTED a master&#039;s program which would put his English listening, speaking and writing skills to the test.

Now, it probably would have been more ideal for him to pick some other major and study abroad, but that would have been tricky.  He was a middle-aged guy with a wife and kids to support, a good job he was loath to abandon, and it would have been difficult and expensive for him to just up and leave Taiwan for two years in pursuit of higher education overseas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing about Mark&#8217;s preference for Taiwanese programs being taught in Mandarin (for the purposes of language acquisition).  Well, it seems to me that there&#8217;s another side to that coin.  Just today I remembered that I have a Taiwanese acquaintance who was accepted into one of these English-taught Taiwanese Studies programs one or two years ago.  And for him, the attraction was that the program WAS taught in English.  As someone whose mother tongue was Mandarin, he WANTED a master&#8217;s program which would put his English listening, speaking and writing skills to the test.</p>
<p>Now, it probably would have been more ideal for him to pick some other major and study abroad, but that would have been tricky.  He was a middle-aged guy with a wife and kids to support, a good job he was loath to abandon, and it would have been difficult and expensive for him to just up and leave Taiwan for two years in pursuit of higher education overseas.</p>
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		<title>By: David Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I think this is the key point. Materials about Taiwan written in English are limited and on many topics probably non-existent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think this is the key point. Materials about Taiwan written in English are limited and on many topics probably non-existent.</p>
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		<title>By: The Foreigner</title>
		<link>http://blog.taiwan-guide.org/2007/06/taiwan-studies-at-nccu/comment-page-1/#comment-41509</link>
		<dc:creator>The Foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I have to admit, I find it a bit disturbing that people can get a masters degree in Taiwan studies from a Taiwanese university and not even be able to speak Chinese.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Mark brings up an interesting point here.  Actually, it doesn&#039;t bother me much that someone could get a master&#039;s degree in Taiwanese studies without SPEAKING Mandarin, but I do admit to having reservations that one could get a one without being able to READ Chinese.

(And I say this as one who can do neither.)

Just as a practical matter - how could a master&#039;s candidate do research about Taiwan without being able to read most of the original source materials?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I have to admit, I find it a bit disturbing that people can get a masters degree in Taiwan studies from a Taiwanese university and not even be able to speak Chinese.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Mark brings up an interesting point here.  Actually, it doesn&#8217;t bother me much that someone could get a master&#8217;s degree in Taiwanese studies without SPEAKING Mandarin, but I do admit to having reservations that one could get a one without being able to READ Chinese.</p>
<p>(And I say this as one who can do neither.)</p>
<p>Just as a practical matter &#8211; how could a master&#8217;s candidate do research about Taiwan without being able to read most of the original source materials?</p>
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