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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blog.taiwan-guide.org/2007/04/create-a-great-public-space/comment-page-1/#comment-77686</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Poagao as well.  It really is distasteful to see foreigners publicly advocating for the destruction of historical and cultural sites.  Yes, we have our opinions about some things that affect us directly, such as visa regulations, etc, but this kind of thing really isn&#039;t any of our business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Poagao as well.  It really is distasteful to see foreigners publicly advocating for the destruction of historical and cultural sites.  Yes, we have our opinions about some things that affect us directly, such as visa regulations, etc, but this kind of thing really isn&#8217;t any of our business.</p>
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		<title>By: David on Formosa &#187; Four characters removed from Democracy Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>David on Formosa &#187; Four characters removed from Democracy Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this year I wrote about some of my ideas for transforming the space around the Hall. However, I know that many people in Taipei have a sense of attachment to the Hall. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this year I wrote about some of my ideas for transforming the space around the Hall. However, I know that many people in Taipei have a sense of attachment to the Hall. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Chinese quest for the truth : Jung Chang on China and Mao &#124; fiLi&#8217;s world</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Chinese quest for the truth : Jung Chang on China and Mao &#124; fiLi&#8217;s world</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 15:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One last side note - as Taiwan is renaming the Chang Kai Shek (CKS) memorial hall, renaming the CKS airport, and taking down the CKS statues in military bases, I think Taiwan is finally starting to deal with its own past. It might be controversial, it might be emotional, but I do believe it&#8217;s the right thing to do. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One last side note &#8211; as Taiwan is renaming the Chang Kai Shek (CKS) memorial hall, renaming the CKS airport, and taking down the CKS statues in military bases, I think Taiwan is finally starting to deal with its own past. It might be controversial, it might be emotional, but I do believe it&#8217;s the right thing to do. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to everyone for your interesting comments. I hope that it will encourage people to think more about the way public spaces are used and developed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to everyone for your interesting comments. I hope that it will encourage people to think more about the way public spaces are used and developed.</p>
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		<title>By: taipeimarc</title>
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		<dc:creator>taipeimarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking back, Taipei would have had more character as well if the Japanese didn&#039;t remove the city walls just 20 years or so after they were built. Sometimes walls are good and serve a purpose such as a flood control wall, but on the other hand, that same wall can be a hindrance because it removes the view and access to the river. So what to do? Should it be function over form? For the flood wall yes, for a city park, maybe not. There are other alternatives such as trees to keep the noise down. I say this with an open mind because I like the design of the wall, I just don&#039;t think its necessary for the entire park to be surrounded by it. It&#039;s a big place anyway ~ removing parts of the wall are not going to take away from its aesthetics. There will still be many areas for quiet contemplation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking back, Taipei would have had more character as well if the Japanese didn&#8217;t remove the city walls just 20 years or so after they were built. Sometimes walls are good and serve a purpose such as a flood control wall, but on the other hand, that same wall can be a hindrance because it removes the view and access to the river. So what to do? Should it be function over form? For the flood wall yes, for a city park, maybe not. There are other alternatives such as trees to keep the noise down. I say this with an open mind because I like the design of the wall, I just don&#8217;t think its necessary for the entire park to be surrounded by it. It&#8217;s a big place anyway ~ removing parts of the wall are not going to take away from its aesthetics. There will still be many areas for quiet contemplation.</p>
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		<title>By: prince roy at-large</title>
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		<dc:creator>prince roy at-large</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly agree with Poagao.  The only thing remotely political about the park is its name, and the little museum devoted to CKS.  Take those away, and the park will mean anything you want.

I can conceive of nothing more wantonly destructive than tearing down the walls.  Walls have been a characteristic feature of Chinese urban landscapes for millenia.  In the case of the park, they serve important purposes, both utilitarian and aesthetic.

I also think there may be some cultural \&#039;imperialism\&#039; going on here.  Chinese came to view their city walls as feudal and backwards only because the foreigners critcized them.  One of the worst things the CCP did to Beijing was tear down the walls.  There were certain visionaries, Chinese visionaries, who wanted to keep them. Liang Sicheng was their champion.  You should check out his blueprints on how to utilize walls to create traditionally Chinese themed public spaces.  Unfortunately, they lost the day, to precisely the same criticisms I\&#039;m seeing here, and the city is far the worse for it.

I like many of your suggestions for improving the park &lt;i&gt;within&lt;/i&gt;, but see no reason to go all Red Guard on the walls (in the sense of anything traditional is bad), or as Poagao phrased it, \&quot;throw out the baby with the bathwater\&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly agree with Poagao.  The only thing remotely political about the park is its name, and the little museum devoted to CKS.  Take those away, and the park will mean anything you want.</p>
<p>I can conceive of nothing more wantonly destructive than tearing down the walls.  Walls have been a characteristic feature of Chinese urban landscapes for millenia.  In the case of the park, they serve important purposes, both utilitarian and aesthetic.</p>
<p>I also think there may be some cultural \&#8217;imperialism\&#8217; going on here.  Chinese came to view their city walls as feudal and backwards only because the foreigners critcized them.  One of the worst things the CCP did to Beijing was tear down the walls.  There were certain visionaries, Chinese visionaries, who wanted to keep them. Liang Sicheng was their champion.  You should check out his blueprints on how to utilize walls to create traditionally Chinese themed public spaces.  Unfortunately, they lost the day, to precisely the same criticisms I\&#8217;m seeing here, and the city is far the worse for it.</p>
<p>I like many of your suggestions for improving the park <i>within</i>, but see no reason to go all Red Guard on the walls (in the sense of anything traditional is bad), or as Poagao phrased it, \&#8221;throw out the baby with the bathwater\&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: taipeimarc</title>
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		<dc:creator>taipeimarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another idea would be to take down most of the walls and surround the park with statues of important people relative to Taiwan such as early democracy activists and aboriginal heros such as Mona Rudao. Some people that are important but caused more harm than good could still be displayed, but perhaps they can be distinguished with a different color or something.

Perhaps one segment can be a foreigner segment to show the Taiwanese kids that many foreigners contributed positively to Taiwan. Kids shouldn&#039;t have the idea that foreigners came/come here just to exploit the place. Even the early Dutch contributed technologies and management systems and created an economy. (Interesting that after the Dutch were forced out, 20 years later they were asked to return to rebuild the decimated economy ~ according to Murray A. Rubinstein&#039;s book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Taiwan-History-East-Gate-Books/dp/0765614944&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
Taiwan - A new History&lt;/a&gt;. 
 
The foreigner statue segment could include people like the Scottish engineer that designed the Taipei city water system, the American (I think) that was the engineer for Sun Moon lake, George Kerr for documenting the truth of a certain era, Dr. Mackay, Dr. Noordoff, famous missionaries, and many others. (hopefully someone positive from the US Military times as well ~ Eisenhower?). This way the kids can walk around the park and learn about the history with a open mind. Perhaps even have a test (!) at the end, if they memorize all the people they get a special park medal. 

Re the walls, It is a lot of maintenance to keep up. If you look at the intricacy of the overhanging roofs, its a lot of work to keep painted and keep clean. The windows look cool, especially how each segment has 10 or so different shapes. Perhaps they can keep certain sections of the walls here and there. Many 10 statues a wall segment, then 10 statutes... Hong Kong has a Statue Square right in the middle of Central that is very popular (mostly because it has seats and shading ~ but people do look at and read the statues). 

Lastly perhaps integrated somewhere can contain small temples since religion is so big (and free to worship) here. Perhaps a Taoist ~ Matsu, Buddhist, Christian, Muslim temple somewhere in the park. For special religious events, the park can hold a lot of people. There would be no need to squish into St. Christopher&#039;s for Christmas mass anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another idea would be to take down most of the walls and surround the park with statues of important people relative to Taiwan such as early democracy activists and aboriginal heros such as Mona Rudao. Some people that are important but caused more harm than good could still be displayed, but perhaps they can be distinguished with a different color or something.</p>
<p>Perhaps one segment can be a foreigner segment to show the Taiwanese kids that many foreigners contributed positively to Taiwan. Kids shouldn&#8217;t have the idea that foreigners came/come here just to exploit the place. Even the early Dutch contributed technologies and management systems and created an economy. (Interesting that after the Dutch were forced out, 20 years later they were asked to return to rebuild the decimated economy ~ according to Murray A. Rubinstein&#8217;s book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Taiwan-History-East-Gate-Books/dp/0765614944" rel="nofollow"><br />
Taiwan &#8211; A new History</a>. </p>
<p>The foreigner statue segment could include people like the Scottish engineer that designed the Taipei city water system, the American (I think) that was the engineer for Sun Moon lake, George Kerr for documenting the truth of a certain era, Dr. Mackay, Dr. Noordoff, famous missionaries, and many others. (hopefully someone positive from the US Military times as well ~ Eisenhower?). This way the kids can walk around the park and learn about the history with a open mind. Perhaps even have a test (!) at the end, if they memorize all the people they get a special park medal. </p>
<p>Re the walls, It is a lot of maintenance to keep up. If you look at the intricacy of the overhanging roofs, its a lot of work to keep painted and keep clean. The windows look cool, especially how each segment has 10 or so different shapes. Perhaps they can keep certain sections of the walls here and there. Many 10 statues a wall segment, then 10 statutes&#8230; Hong Kong has a Statue Square right in the middle of Central that is very popular (mostly because it has seats and shading ~ but people do look at and read the statues). </p>
<p>Lastly perhaps integrated somewhere can contain small temples since religion is so big (and free to worship) here. Perhaps a Taoist ~ Matsu, Buddhist, Christian, Muslim temple somewhere in the park. For special religious events, the park can hold a lot of people. There would be no need to squish into St. Christopher&#8217;s for Christmas mass anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Poagao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poagao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, you said &quot;Two examples of dead space are the area outside the wall on the eastern side of the park and the northwestern corner of the park&quot; so I thought you meant outside the wall. 

In that case, I think lighting changes or even another access point, i.e. another gate would work just fine as the neighborhood just outside that part is more attractive and open. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater by tearing down the entire wall and the gates just to make a political point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, you said &#8220;Two examples of dead space are the area outside the wall on the eastern side of the park and the northwestern corner of the park&#8221; so I thought you meant outside the wall. </p>
<p>In that case, I think lighting changes or even another access point, i.e. another gate would work just fine as the neighborhood just outside that part is more attractive and open. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater by tearing down the entire wall and the gates just to make a political point.</p>
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		<title>By: David Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am actually referring to the park area inside the wall on the corner of Ren&#039;ai and Zhongshan Roads. Opening it up would invite more people into the park as many people would be approaching it from the wide open space  Ketagalan Boulevard and the traffic circle which links to 228 Park, the Presidential Building, NTU Hospital and other places. 

I think the main motivation for changing the park is political too. That is why I am arguing for more thought to go into planning the changes. Rather than just removing a few symbols which some people don&#039;t like, it can be used as an opportunity to improve the urban environment of Taipei. 

I also understand the fact that some people like the current features of the park. That needs to be taken into account in making any changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am actually referring to the park area inside the wall on the corner of Ren&#8217;ai and Zhongshan Roads. Opening it up would invite more people into the park as many people would be approaching it from the wide open space  Ketagalan Boulevard and the traffic circle which links to 228 Park, the Presidential Building, NTU Hospital and other places. </p>
<p>I think the main motivation for changing the park is political too. That is why I am arguing for more thought to go into planning the changes. Rather than just removing a few symbols which some people don&#8217;t like, it can be used as an opportunity to improve the urban environment of Taipei. </p>
<p>I also understand the fact that some people like the current features of the park. That needs to be taken into account in making any changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Poagao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poagao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I realize now, after looking at the site, that I have actually visited Federation Square in Melbourne. I thought it was a mall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I realize now, after looking at the site, that I have actually visited Federation Square in Melbourne. I thought it was a mall.</p>
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